Dear GNA-G Community:
Earlier this week, the Q4 2021 Community VCs took place. If you were there, thank you for participating!
One of the topics that was discussed is the draft for the new map for the front page of the GNA-G website (https://www.gna-g.net/). Since the time the existing map was created, the GREN has moved forward.
A big thanks to Jane Gifford of AARNet who is the creator of the original map. She is now working with the Leadership Team on creating an update.
The draft new map as was shown during the Q4 2021 Community VCs. During the VCs, we already received the following comments (thanks!):
* The interconnection between the North American GXPs needs to be reviewed.
* A new link between Mtunzini and Amsterdam, that balances the link between Cape Town and London, should be added.
* In AER, Jeddah should be a dot on the map, as there is a GXP in Jeddah, and the links between Jeddah and Amsterdam and between Jeddah and Singapore should be double.
* In APOnet, there are a few links that might need to be double.
* Also in APOnet, the links to Auckland need a double check.
Please review the map and reply to me with your suggestions. I will collect them, review them with the Leadership Team and Jane, and from that we will produce the new version.
Thank you and happy holiday season.
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/
Excellent map, thank you Jane.
As Erik Jan was alluding to, I also cannot help but be impressed to see what our R&E Networking Community has created since we first discussed a transatlantic 40gbps. or even possibly7 100gbps When Erik Jan passed by here in Montreal in the wake of the successful Iceland - Europe 100gbps demo at TNC2012. The resulting transatlantic 100gbps at TNC13 in Maastricht is now part of R&E Networking history.
In addition to the points listed by Erik Jan I would like to note that from my old carrier perspective, it occurs to me that some circuits are not shown as backed-up.
1) Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added? 2) Lisbon looks quite isolated at the end of the Fortaleza circuit. This brings a question to mind: does Lisbon have an alternate path? Any agreement with Geant to that effect? 3) Really missing is a Chicago or New York to Jacksonville or Boca Raton connection in AP-REX; this isolates South America from North America.;
Best regards and wishing you all safe and enjoyable holidays as we are yet again about to enter a new year. Let's hope indeed that we will soon be able to meet in person again.
Yves
Yves Poppe
Programme Director
Advanced Intercontinental Supercomputing Networking
NSCC (National Supercomputing Centre Singapore)
Chair APAN Backbone Committee
1 Fusionopolis Way #17-01 Connexis
Singapore 138632
tel: 1-5148048162 (Canada EST)
e-mail: yves@nscc.sg
url:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:08 AM Erik-Jan Bos bos@nordu.net wrote:
Dear GNA-G Community:
Earlier this week, the Q4 2021 Community VCs took place. If you were there, thank you for participating!
One of the topics that was discussed is the draft for the new map for the front page of the GNA-G website (https://www.gna-g.net/). Since the time the existing map was created, the GREN has moved forward.
A big thanks to Jane Gifford of AARNet who is the creator of the original map. She is now working with the Leadership Team on creating an update.
The draft new map as was shown during the Q4 2021 Community VCs. During the VCs, we already received the following comments (thanks!):
The interconnection between the North American GXPs needs to be reviewed.
A new link between Mtunzini and Amsterdam, that balances the link
between Cape Town and London, should be added.
- In AER, Jeddah should be a dot on the map, as there is a GXP in
Jeddah, and the links between Jeddah and Amsterdam and between Jeddah and Singapore should be double.
In APOnet, there are a few links that might need to be double.
Also in APOnet, the links to Auckland need a double check.
Please review the map and reply to me with your suggestions. I will collect them, review them with the Leadership Team and Jane, and from that we will produce the new version.
Thank you and happy holiday season.
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/ _______________________________________________ GNA-G All mailing list -- all@lists.gna-g.net To unsubscribe send an email to all-leave@lists.gna-g.net
Hi Yves
In respect if your comments about access to South America from the US and Europe, as indicated on the new map, it seems to me that there are not included paths within the internal networks of both the YS and Europe.
For instance, there is redundant capacity from S America to Amlight in Florida, from where there are multiple paths to Chicago and the Northeast by means of Atlantic Wave and Internet2.
The Bella cable from Brazil to Portugal is currently extended to Geant PoPs in Lisbon and Madrid.
The omission if these "internal" network links gives the impression you have commented.
I am unsure how this complementary connectivity may be represented on the GNA-G map, without introducing unnecessary "clutter" within the US and Europe. Any suggestions?
Cheers
Michael ________________________________ From: Yves Poppe yves@nscc.sg Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 4:43:45 PM To: Erik-Jan Bos bos@nordu.net Cc: GNA-G Community all@lists.gna-g.net Subject: [GNA-G All] Re: GREN Map - new version
Excellent map, thank you Jane.
As Erik Jan was alluding to, I also cannot help but be impressed to see what our R&E Networking Community has created since we first discussed a transatlantic 40gbps. or even possibly7 100gbps When Erik Jan passed by here in Montreal in the wake of the successful Iceland - Europe 100gbps demo at TNC2012. The resulting transatlantic 100gbps at TNC13 in Maastricht is now part of R&E Networking history.
In addition to the points listed by Erik Jan I would like to note that from my old carrier perspective, it occurs to me that some circuits are not shown as backed-up.
1) Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added? 2) Lisbon looks quite isolated at the end of the Fortaleza circuit. This brings a question to mind: does Lisbon have an alternate path? Any agreement with Geant to that effect? 3) Really missing is a Chicago or New York to Jacksonville or Boca Raton connection in AP-REX; this isolates South America from North America.;
Best regards and wishing you all safe and enjoyable holidays as we are yet again about to enter a new year. Let's hope indeed that we will soon be able to meet in person again.
Yves
Yves Poppe
Programme Director
Advanced Intercontinental Supercomputing Networking
NSCC (National Supercomputing Centre Singapore)
Chair APAN Backbone Committee
1 Fusionopolis Way #17-01 Connexis
Singapore 138632
tel: 1-5148048162 (Canada EST)
e-mail: yves@nscc.sgmailto:yves@nscc.sg
url:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:08 AM Erik-Jan Bos <bos@nordu.netmailto:bos@nordu.net> wrote: Dear GNA-G Community:
Earlier this week, the Q4 2021 Community VCs took place. If you were there, thank you for participating!
One of the topics that was discussed is the draft for the new map for the front page of the GNA-G website (https://www.gna-g.net/). Since the time the existing map was created, the GREN has moved forward.
A big thanks to Jane Gifford of AARNet who is the creator of the original map. She is now working with the Leadership Team on creating an update.
The draft new map as was shown during the Q4 2021 Community VCs. During the VCs, we already received the following comments (thanks!):
* The interconnection between the North American GXPs needs to be reviewed.
* A new link between Mtunzini and Amsterdam, that balances the link between Cape Town and London, should be added.
* In AER, Jeddah should be a dot on the map, as there is a GXP in Jeddah, and the links between Jeddah and Amsterdam and between Jeddah and Singapore should be double.
* In APOnet, there are a few links that might need to be double.
* Also in APOnet, the links to Auckland need a double check.
Please review the map and reply to me with your suggestions. I will collect them, review them with the Leadership Team and Jane, and from that we will produce the new version.
Thank you and happy holiday season.
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/ _______________________________________________ GNA-G All mailing list -- all@lists.gna-g.netmailto:all@lists.gna-g.net To unsubscribe send an email to all-leave@lists.gna-g.netmailto:all-leave@lists.gna-g.net
Hello Michael and Yves:
Many thanks for your input and discussion.
We should keep in mind with this map that its purpose is to be easy on the eye. It should give a quick impression of the reach of the GREN.
The real map work is done in the GREN Map WG, led by Ryan Davies of CANARIE. That work should give an "as accurate as you want" map of the GREN participants' networks, including the on-continent interconnects.
Based on your comments, my thinking is that this website map should be simpler in stead of more complex. Will work on a new version soon.
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/
On 17/12/2021 12:42, Michael Stanton wrote:
Hi Yves
In respect if your comments about access to South America from the US and Europe, as indicated on the new map, it seems to me that there are not included paths within the internal networks of both the YS and Europe.
For instance, there is redundant capacity from S America to Amlight in Florida, from where there are multiple paths to Chicago and the Northeast by means of Atlantic Wave and Internet2.
The Bella cable from Brazil to Portugal is currently extended to Geant PoPs in Lisbon and Madrid.
The omission if these "internal" network links gives the impression you have commented.
I am unsure how this complementary connectivity may be represented on the GNA-G map, without introducing unnecessary "clutter" within the US and Europe. Any suggestions?
Cheers
Michael
*From:* Yves Poppe yves@nscc.sg *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2021 4:43:45 PM *To:* Erik-Jan Bos bos@nordu.net *Cc:* GNA-G Community all@lists.gna-g.net *Subject:* [GNA-G All] Re: GREN Map - new version
Excellent map, thank you Jane.
As Erik Jan was alluding to, I also cannot help but be impressed to see what our R&E Networking Community has created since we first discussed a transatlantic 40gbps. or even possibly7 100gbps When Erik Jan passed by here in Montreal in the wake of the successful Iceland - Europe 100gbps demo at TNC2012. The resulting transatlantic 100gbps at TNC13 in Maastricht is now part of R&E Networking history.
In addition to the points listed by Erik Jan I would like to note that from my old carrier perspective, it occurs to me that some circuits are not shown as backed-up.
- Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to
Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added? 2) Lisbon looks quite isolated at the end of the Fortaleza circuit. This brings a question to mind: does Lisbon have an alternate path? Any agreement with Geant to that effect? 3) Really missing is a Chicago or New York to Jacksonville or Boca Raton connection in AP-REX; this isolates South America from North America.;
Best regards and wishing you all safe and enjoyable holidays as we are yet again about to enter a new year. Let's hope indeed that we will soon be able to meet in person again.
Yves
Yves Poppe
Programme Director
Advanced Intercontinental Supercomputing Networking
NSCC (National Supercomputing Centre Singapore)
Chair APAN Backbone Committee
1 Fusionopolis Way #17-01 Connexis
Singapore 138632
tel: 1-5148048162 (Canada EST)
e-mail: yves@nscc.sg mailto:yves@nscc.sg
url:
https://www.nscc.sg https://www.nscc.sg
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:08 AM Erik-Jan Bos <bos@nordu.net mailto:bos@nordu.net> wrote:
Dear GNA-G Community: Earlier this week, the Q4 2021 Community VCs took place. If you were there, thank you for participating! One of the topics that was discussed is the draft for the new map for the front page of the GNA-G website (https://www.gna-g.net/ <https://www.gna-g.net/>). Since the time the existing map was created, the GREN has moved forward. A big thanks to Jane Gifford of AARNet who is the creator of the original map. She is now working with the Leadership Team on creating an update. The draft new map as was shown during the Q4 2021 Community VCs. During the VCs, we already received the following comments (thanks!): * The interconnection between the North American GXPs needs to be reviewed. * A new link between Mtunzini and Amsterdam, that balances the link between Cape Town and London, should be added. * In AER, Jeddah should be a dot on the map, as there is a GXP in Jeddah, and the links between Jeddah and Amsterdam and between Jeddah and Singapore should be double. * In APOnet, there are a few links that might need to be double. * Also in APOnet, the links to Auckland need a double check. Please review the map and reply to me with your suggestions. I will collect them, review them with the Leadership Team and Jane, and from that we will produce the new version. Thank you and happy holiday season. Kind regards, __ Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/ <https://www.nordu.net/> _______________________________________________ GNA-G All mailing list -- all@lists.gna-g.net <mailto:all@lists.gna-g.net> To unsubscribe send an email to all-leave@lists.gna-g.net <mailto:all-leave@lists.gna-g.net>
Hi
- Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to
Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added?
Yes, please add the Geneva-Amsterdam link. We have just got the confirmation that the contract will be renewed for three more years and the link will be upgraded to 400G
cheers Edoardo
Hi Edoardo:
Excellent news to hear that Geneva-Amsterdam will be upgraded to 400G. Thanks for sharing.
With regard to the inclusion on the map, we'll take your suggestion along, together with all the others we got. See also my reply to Yves and Michael on keeping it simple and ensure that the GREN Map WG is able to create accurate maps.
In order for the GREN Map WG succeed in this, we need all R&E networks to supply their data in a maintainable format that the WG has developed. This is the time to participate in the GREN Map WG!
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/
On 17/12/2021 12:50, Edoardo Martelli wrote:
Hi
- Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to
Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added?
Yes, please add the Geneva-Amsterdam link. We have just got the confirmation that the contract will be renewed for three more years and the link will be upgraded to 400G
cheers Edoardo _______________________________________________ GNA-G All mailing list -- all@lists.gna-g.net To unsubscribe send an email to all-leave@lists.gna-g.net
Kia Ora team,
Thanks for the excellent map and all the work that goes into it.
REANNZ has two links from Sydney one coming to Auckland as shown in the diagram. THe other comes from Sydney to Manghawhai just above Auckland but is connected to the Hawaiki cable to Hawaii. Can we please add the second link but just to Auckland as shown in the below picture? You can see it represented here https://www.reannz.co.nz/the-network/reannz-network/ Adding picture from above link here for ease of reference
[image: Screen Shot 2021-12-20 at 8.46.49 AM.png]
Ngā mihi nui, Yesh
Yeshaswini Ramesh
Manager, Network Operations
M +64 211 91 9867
E yeshaswini.ramesh@reannz.co.nz
Research and Education
Advanced Network New Zealand
www.reannz.co.nz
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 02:49, Erik-Jan Bos bos@nordu.net wrote:
Hi Edoardo:
Excellent news to hear that Geneva-Amsterdam will be upgraded to 400G. Thanks for sharing.
With regard to the inclusion on the map, we'll take your suggestion along, together with all the others we got. See also my reply to Yves and Michael on keeping it simple and ensure that the GREN Map WG is able to create accurate maps.
In order for the GREN Map WG succeed in this, we need all R&E networks to supply their data in a maintainable format that the WG has developed. This is the time to participate in the GREN Map WG!
Kind regards,
__
Erik-Jan Bos Policy & Strategy Officer NORDUnet A/S - Kastrup, Denmark Web: https://www.nordu.net/
On 17/12/2021 12:50, Edoardo Martelli wrote:
Hi
- Washington _ Geneva although CERN also has a direct connection to
Netherlight. Should the Geneva-Amsterdam connection be added?
Yes, please add the Geneva-Amsterdam link. We have just got the confirmation that the contract will be renewed for three more years and the link will be upgraded to 400G
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